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	<title>Comments on: What I Learned From Plato&#8217;s Republic</title>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmonk.com/2008/11/03/what-i-learned-from-platos-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-2670</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monique,
I agree we&#039;ve gone a bit too far about trying to protect people from having to take responsibility, and I also agree with Evan that a lot of the warnings are to keep the companies from being sued.  What specifically are you thinking of in terms of government regulation of individuals?  

Evan,
I agree, the excess caution is because of the fear of law suits.  A lot of those law suits are unfair, but if we didn&#039;t have them companies would be even less responsible than some of them are now.  I can&#039;t see any easy answer.

Thank you both for writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monique,<br />
I agree we&#8217;ve gone a bit too far about trying to protect people from having to take responsibility, and I also agree with Evan that a lot of the warnings are to keep the companies from being sued.  What specifically are you thinking of in terms of government regulation of individuals?  </p>
<p>Evan,<br />
I agree, the excess caution is because of the fear of law suits.  A lot of those law suits are unfair, but if we didn&#8217;t have them companies would be even less responsible than some of them are now.  I can&#8217;t see any easy answer.</p>
<p>Thank you both for writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Australia, most of the excessive caution is due to fears about insurance - corporates rather than government.  It may be different in the US of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Australia, most of the excessive caution is due to fears about insurance &#8211; corporates rather than government.  It may be different in the US of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Monique Attinger</title>
		<link>http://cheerfulmonk.com/2008/11/03/what-i-learned-from-platos-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-2656</link>
		<dc:creator>Monique Attinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit to studying Plato&#039;s Republic as well - but in university, in a philosophy course. Well worth the effort, and still a great lesson: too many people think that the government should &quot;protect&quot; us from everything and take away our need to be responsible for ourselves. In fact, the government ends up having to legislate against stupidity! (Can you believe the kinds of warning labels we have now, because we aren&#039;t expected to think for ourselves?) I&#039;d like to see less government regulation in the lives of individuals - and perhaps a bit more, judiciously selected, for large organizations. Either that, or make the organizations be as responsible, from top to bottom, as any individual - which isn&#039;t the case right now.

Monique Attingers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.beallergywise.com/blog/when-you-are-sick-and-have-food-allergies/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When You Are Sick And Have Food Allergies&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit to studying Plato&#8217;s Republic as well &#8211; but in university, in a philosophy course. Well worth the effort, and still a great lesson: too many people think that the government should &#8220;protect&#8221; us from everything and take away our need to be responsible for ourselves. In fact, the government ends up having to legislate against stupidity! (Can you believe the kinds of warning labels we have now, because we aren&#8217;t expected to think for ourselves?) I&#8217;d like to see less government regulation in the lives of individuals &#8211; and perhaps a bit more, judiciously selected, for large organizations. Either that, or make the organizations be as responsible, from top to bottom, as any individual &#8211; which isn&#8217;t the case right now.</p>
<p>Monique Attingers last blog post..<a href="http://www.beallergywise.com/blog/when-you-are-sick-and-have-food-allergies/" rel="nofollow">When You Are Sick And Have Food Allergies</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jean 
I went on line and read up on Virginia Satir. She sure has many accolades for her pyschotherapy work. Thanks for the link up.

Yes, isn&#039;t that the truth. There sure are alot of challenges to meet for him. It will be interesting to watch. He is very charismatic and that always seems to be of value in Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jean<br />
I went on line and read up on Virginia Satir. She sure has many accolades for her pyschotherapy work. Thanks for the link up.</p>
<p>Yes, isn&#8217;t that the truth. There sure are alot of challenges to meet for him. It will be interesting to watch. He is very charismatic and that always seems to be of value in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane,
There is a reason that Congress has such low approval ratings!

I&#039;m guessing the Democrats in Congress will be as much of a challenge for Obama as the Republicans will be.  That may be one reason the he chose Emanuel as his chief of staff.  One thing is certain, we&#039;re facing enough challenges that he has a chance of being one of our great presidents.  Let&#039;s all hope he&#039;s up to the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane,<br />
There is a reason that Congress has such low approval ratings!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing the Democrats in Congress will be as much of a challenge for Obama as the Republicans will be.  That may be one reason the he chose Emanuel as his chief of staff.  One thing is certain, we&#8217;re facing enough challenges that he has a chance of being one of our great presidents.  Let&#8217;s all hope he&#8217;s up to the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jean,

I think being president is much different then being a governor. As they say the Senate changes the president not the other way around. After experiencing so many presidents not many have ever really been able to get their agendas through without all lot give. To me I wonder whether congress just loves the debate and doesn&#039;t pay enough attention to the result. One thing I find intriguing is when a compassionate force like a mother or a father get a bill passed like Megan&#039;s Law. It seems passion moves passed all of it in that instance. I often wonder why we don&#039;t see more of it on different instances. Its funny to me that something that may affect only very small population gets worked out. But it feels that what would affect the greater good of the whole is somehow stymied in congress. There are so many issues where 100,000 people die each year and those are still not answered effectively and effeiciently. 
After working years in on school boards. How many times the BIG congress passed bills sent no funds and made it up as they went along as far as accountabilty goes. The funny thing was the states had to no matter if adequate funds for it was there or not.  It was often shocking to find out each time what was taking away from the kids each time one of those bills were passed. Or in our state they deferred payment to our scholl districts. And then to top it off never paid it. It makes you wonder alot about government and its systems and integrity. Thank God for good quality teachers.

That&#039;s so interesting on the NLP. I like that an experimentalist. Kind of like Gandhi...autobiography. My experiment with truth.
Listening is really a key element of knowing someone else and yourself.

Diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jean,</p>
<p>I think being president is much different then being a governor. As they say the Senate changes the president not the other way around. After experiencing so many presidents not many have ever really been able to get their agendas through without all lot give. To me I wonder whether congress just loves the debate and doesn&#8217;t pay enough attention to the result. One thing I find intriguing is when a compassionate force like a mother or a father get a bill passed like Megan&#8217;s Law. It seems passion moves passed all of it in that instance. I often wonder why we don&#8217;t see more of it on different instances. Its funny to me that something that may affect only very small population gets worked out. But it feels that what would affect the greater good of the whole is somehow stymied in congress. There are so many issues where 100,000 people die each year and those are still not answered effectively and effeiciently.<br />
After working years in on school boards. How many times the BIG congress passed bills sent no funds and made it up as they went along as far as accountabilty goes. The funny thing was the states had to no matter if adequate funds for it was there or not.  It was often shocking to find out each time what was taking away from the kids each time one of those bills were passed. Or in our state they deferred payment to our scholl districts. And then to top it off never paid it. It makes you wonder alot about government and its systems and integrity. Thank God for good quality teachers.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s so interesting on the NLP. I like that an experimentalist. Kind of like Gandhi&#8230;autobiography. My experiment with truth.<br />
Listening is really a key element of knowing someone else and yourself.</p>
<p>Diane</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane,
I just looked up David Hawkins at amazon and read some reviews for a couple of his books.  He certainly has written a lot and has gotten good reviews.  

About political rhetoric...I don&#039;t pay much attention to it.  Often politicians do completely different things from what they say in campaigns.  In fact, even their past history isn&#039;t always a good predictor.  Bush was a unifier when he was governor of Texas, but when the Republicans gained control of Congress he decided he didn&#039;t need to deal with the Democrats.  

About NLP...it can be used for manipulation.  In fact Bandler and Grinder used Virginia Satir as one of the people they studied.  They noticed how she gained rapport and told her about it.  She had been doing it unconsciously and was concerned once they made her aware of it.  She wasn&#039;t trying to manipulate.  I&#039;m not interested in NLP for interactions with other people, as a persuasion tool.  I was interested in it for making changes in myself.  I&#039;m an experimentalist at heart, and like to see what works for me and what doesn&#039;t.  It&#039;s one of my favorite hobbies.  

Thanks for commenting.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane,<br />
I just looked up David Hawkins at amazon and read some reviews for a couple of his books.  He certainly has written a lot and has gotten good reviews.  </p>
<p>About political rhetoric&#8230;I don&#8217;t pay much attention to it.  Often politicians do completely different things from what they say in campaigns.  In fact, even their past history isn&#8217;t always a good predictor.  Bush was a unifier when he was governor of Texas, but when the Republicans gained control of Congress he decided he didn&#8217;t need to deal with the Democrats.  </p>
<p>About NLP&#8230;it can be used for manipulation.  In fact Bandler and Grinder used Virginia Satir as one of the people they studied.  They noticed how she gained rapport and told her about it.  She had been doing it unconsciously and was concerned once they made her aware of it.  She wasn&#8217;t trying to manipulate.  I&#8217;m not interested in NLP for interactions with other people, as a persuasion tool.  I was interested in it for making changes in myself.  I&#8217;m an experimentalist at heart, and like to see what works for me and what doesn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s one of my favorite hobbies.  </p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.  <img src='http://cheerfulmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jean and All,

One book the Holy Bible as long as I can recall I sought wisdom. Another is not a book but the Declaration Of Independance.... I think it is one of the most powerful documents written in the history of the USA. And confirms free independant thinking as a right.

 It is definately a chore to sift through the political rhetoric. So much seems to be written poorly. All it takes is one, and/ or/ if /or one line.
Actually if there&#039;s a place that powerful simplification in writing would be wise? That would be my choice!!! HA, HA, History rules there!

I agree history is a great teacher of the real world of men. 

A book I&#039;ve read about three years ago...Truth verses Falshood by David Hawkins... Hard read but once you get his rythym down its not so bad.  He&#039;s a buddhist  and pyschologist. Done some work in  diplomacy too. He has a series, they are all good. 

I also liked the Enneagram.

Bhagavada Gita was enlightening.... I&#039;ve read the one that was explained by Yogananda. Here&#039;s one of the things that stuck out in one of Yoganada&#039;s quotes, &quot;The irony  to him was that Indian&#039;s followed Jesus&#039; teachings and American&#039;s followed Krishna&#039;s... &quot; I thought that was an intriguing statement. (I am paraphrasing from memory) Talk about curiosity making...

After reading all the comments here. I&#039;ll be adding to the list of books to read.  I just read some work on NLP though I also heard some negativity centered around it also.  And was interested in some of the methods used. Wow Jean your an expert in that too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jean and All,</p>
<p>One book the Holy Bible as long as I can recall I sought wisdom. Another is not a book but the Declaration Of Independance&#8230;. I think it is one of the most powerful documents written in the history of the USA. And confirms free independant thinking as a right.</p>
<p> It is definately a chore to sift through the political rhetoric. So much seems to be written poorly. All it takes is one, and/ or/ if /or one line.<br />
Actually if there&#8217;s a place that powerful simplification in writing would be wise? That would be my choice!!! HA, HA, History rules there!</p>
<p>I agree history is a great teacher of the real world of men. </p>
<p>A book I&#8217;ve read about three years ago&#8230;Truth verses Falshood by David Hawkins&#8230; Hard read but once you get his rythym down its not so bad.  He&#8217;s a buddhist  and pyschologist. Done some work in  diplomacy too. He has a series, they are all good. </p>
<p>I also liked the Enneagram.</p>
<p>Bhagavada Gita was enlightening&#8230;. I&#8217;ve read the one that was explained by Yogananda. Here&#8217;s one of the things that stuck out in one of Yoganada&#8217;s quotes, &#8220;The irony  to him was that Indian&#8217;s followed Jesus&#8217; teachings and American&#8217;s followed Krishna&#8217;s&#8230; &#8221; I thought that was an intriguing statement. (I am paraphrasing from memory) Talk about curiosity making&#8230;</p>
<p>After reading all the comments here. I&#8217;ll be adding to the list of books to read.  I just read some work on NLP though I also heard some negativity centered around it also.  And was interested in some of the methods used. Wow Jean your an expert in that too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen,
Thanks!  What will your son-in-law do next?  It must be exciting for him to finish his Ph.D.  That&#039;s a long slog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen,<br />
Thanks!  What will your son-in-law do next?  It must be exciting for him to finish his Ph.D.  That&#8217;s a long slog.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jean, My son-in-law just completed his PhD in Philosophy. He&#039;d love this:-) Spoken like a pro!

Ellen Webers last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brainleadersandlearners.com/brain-facts/obama-leads-with-the-brain-in-mind/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama Leads with the Brain in Mind&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jean, My son-in-law just completed his PhD in Philosophy. He&#8217;d love this:-) Spoken like a pro!</p>
<p>Ellen Webers last blog post..<a href="http://www.brainleadersandlearners.com/brain-facts/obama-leads-with-the-brain-in-mind/" rel="nofollow">Obama Leads with the Brain in Mind</a></p>
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